I guess maybe something I have to say... (for etf30stm)

[StevenSegaul]

is that I do not hate Ronnie. I used to look up to the guy. I still listen to his music, but what he's done to people just isn't right. Now that Ronnie is in jail, and has been clean, maybe he'll be a better person when he's out. And I hope to God that he is.

Drugs change people, I've had personal experiences with my friends/family doing drugs, and when everything comes out it changes everything. That's why I don't like Ronnie. Because I know what it's like to have people do stuff like that and it hurts.

Anyways, I posted this for etf30stm because apparently I piss him/her off because I hate Ronnie...

And I'll just go ahead and say my name "StevenSegaul" is from a LONG time ago I was 13ish and I hated Steven Seagal with a passion. I didn't know how to spell his name, but that's the way I spelled it. I made a user account on veoh named "StevenSegaulSux" or something like that. When I signed up here, I didn't want to use my name because I didn't want people to think I was stupid, and that was the first thing that popped in my mind.

So, if you think that I hate Ronnie, go ahead, but I don't hate anyone. Also, I don't think that the Reputation is a way to solve your problems with people... Just saying.

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong thread.

[my_apocalypse_etf]

Yeah I hope Ronnie's a better guy now

[StevenSegaul]

Yeah, me too. I can't stress that enough. If he turns out to be a better guy, and stop talking crap about everyone, then yeah, I would love to listen to his music. And I would love for that to happen, however, I am a realist (what people call a pessimist, I call a realist) and I know that it's not going to happen.

[etf30stm]

so drugs change people, and isn't that what happened to ronnie? who knows (i know i don't) what he was like before drugs, and when he got mixed up with them he fucked up. u say u knew someone who was changed because of drugs, but wouldn't that support the theory that it is the drugs that took over ronnie to make him do things that wernt "HIM"?

i also have a good friend whom i've known for about 5 years, and over the last 6 months - 1 year he got mixed up with the wrong people, started taking drugs, stole off his parents and mates, and tried to hang himself, just before his dad walked in. his actions pissed me off, sadened me, even made me cry at times, but i know those actions wernt him. they were 100% the crystal meth. i still try and talk to him, visit him in hospital, and be by his side, and this first hand experience shows that drugs does stuff to people that they wouldnt dream of when sober.

i just think without first hand experience, people jump to the conclusions that his actions were "HIM". i don't think they were "HIM", i think they were the DRUGS.

p.s You present a valid point so i'll take the -rep off

[my_apocalypse_etf]

(08-28-2009 07:02 PM)StevenSegaul Wrote:  Yeah, me too. I can't stress that enough. If he turns out to be a better guy, and stop talking crap about everyone, then yeah, I would love to listen to his music. And I would love for that to happen, however, I am a realist (what people call a pessimist, I call a realist) and I know that it's not going to happen.

I've checked out some of his interviews he says he's a changed person. But then other people are saying he skipped rehab. But that might've been out of jail. I was sad he went to jail but glad because tat's sort of where he needed to be so he can think straight

[StevenSegaul]

(08-29-2009 12:13 AM)etf30stm Wrote:  so drugs change people, and isn't that what happened to ronnie? who knows (i know i don't) what he was like before drugs, and when he got mixed up with them he fucked up. u say u knew someone who was changed because of drugs, but wouldn't that support the theory that it is the drugs that took over ronnie to make him do things that wernt "HIM"?

i also have a good friend whom i've known for about 5 years, and over the last 6 months - 1 year he got mixed up with the wrong people, started taking drugs, stole off his parents and mates, and tried to hang himself, just before his dad walked in. his actions pissed me off, sadened me, even made me cry at times, but i know those actions wernt him. they were 100% the crystal meth. i still try and talk to him, visit him in hospital, and be by his side, and this first hand experience shows that drugs does stuff to people that they wouldnt dream of when sober.

i just think without first hand experience, people jump to the conclusions that his actions were "HIM". i don't think they were "HIM", i think they were the DRUGS.

p.s You present a valid point so i'll take the -rep off

Everyone I've ever known that does it says they're getting better but never do, yeah the drugs take over them, but they never seem to re-gain control.

[ThatDarnBandit]

Ronnie Radke is Ronnie Rawkstar Radke, end story at this point. That is all he is in his mind. All he wants to do is be famous and get attention. I mean look at his band, they talk shit nonstop.

[JessixMoney]

Agreed.

[xxescapefatexx]

yeah drugs do mess u up and ronnie does want all kinds of attention
but .........................​..........

[StevenSegaul]

And, it was him who chose to do the drugs that changed him. So it was his action that changed him.

[Deko Gore]

Stevensegaul I like you ^_^

I understand where your coming from, and having been on drugs myself, I understand where Ronnie's coming from to. It's a hard thing to give up and the fact that he has now is brilliant =].
He's an awesome musician and vocalist with great ideas and every ability to be able to make his ideas reality. I think that Escape The Fate will always be where he truely shone and nothing will ever be able to out do that. Being in the music industry is a tricky business and so when something goes down like the whole Escape The Fate thing its hard to gain momentum and get yourself back up on your feet again.
He's an awesome guy and I hope like hell that he comes back stronger, happier and more like the Ronnie Radke we no and love ^_^.